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 Post subject: B-25 Paint Schemes North Africa '43
PostPosted: Thu 07 Feb, 2008 1:00 pm 
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My Grandfather, TSGT Les Rocole landed in North Africa in Feb '43 and was assigned as a crew chief to "Little Joe" #41-29998 of the 448th. I have pictures of "Joe" posted in the gallery located here:

http://57thbombwing.com/gallery2/v/MenO ... es_Rocole/

My question is, would the original paint scheme of the mitchells arriving in '43 have been the OD green that we see on most of the 25's in most theatres or or would it have been painted with the desert scheme that was used in torch like "Seven O' Seven" of the 445th? With the black and whites it's hard to tell and I would like to have a mahoagony model made.

Anyone???Thanks!!!

Airman Akins


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 Post subject: Re: B-25 Paint Schemes North Africa '43
PostPosted: Sun 10 Feb, 2008 10:43 pm 
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448thGrandson wrote:

My question is, would the original paint scheme of the Mitchells arriving in '43 have been the OD green that we see on most of the 25's in most theatres or or would it have been painted with the desert scheme that was used in torch like "Seven O' Seven" of the 445th? With the black and whites it's hard to tell and I would like to have a mahogany model made.

Anyone???Thanks!!!

Airman Akins


Dear Airman,

Below are some excerpts from a monograph called "North American B-25 Mitchell - Bomber with a General's Name", :

" Five medium bombardment groups flying B-25 Mitchell were assigned to the 12-th AF in the MTO:

310.BG - since October 1942

321.BG - since March 1943

12.BG - between Aug. 1943 and Febr. 1944 (initially assigned to the 9-th. AF and after Febr. 1944 transferred to India and assigned to the 10-th AF.)

340.BG - after August 1943 (initially assigned to the 9-th AF)

319.BG - between November 1944 and February 1945

July 30-th, 1942: After 18 days over the Atlantic, using the Southern Route, 55 B-25C of the 12-th BG(M) reached Egypt. All a/c were camouflaged in Sand, shade 49 over Neutral Grey, shade 43.

Author's note: Widely used today, the name "desert pink" is not the official name of the colour. Among the crews the colour was also known as"Titty pink."

The first B-25 group to be assigned to the 12-th AF was the 310.BG (M). Two squadrons (379.BS and 428.BS) reached the AF base Prestwick in Scotland in October 1942, using the Nortern Route. Intended to be stationed in Great Britain, all a/c were camouflaged in the standard Dark Olive Drab, shade 41 over Neutral Grey, shade 43. Later the group received airplanes with"desert camouflage"after major overhaul in the repair depots, initially assigned to other units.

Author's note: No USAAF Medium BG. using B-25 was stationed in Great Britain during WWII. The "Mitchell"s flying missions over Northern Europe belonged to 2-nd TAF / RAF.

On March 2-nd 1943 all four squadrons of 321-st BG. (M). arrived in French Morocco. The group left USA on February 15-th with 54 a/c from the types B-25 C and D and used the Southern Route. All planes were camouflaged Sand over Neutral Grey.

In the last days of March 1943 in Egypt arrived the 340-th BG(M). All planes were camouflaged Sand over Neutral Grey.

Another group flying B-25 Mitchell for a short time was the 319-th BG. (M). The group converted from B-26 to B-25 in late 1944. All B-25's in the group were not camouflaged. Only their fins and ruders were painted in black.

In spring of 1943 USAAF started moving from the desert regions of Tunisia and Lybia. The desert camouflage became useless over the areas with green vegetation in Algeria. In the units the sand-camouflaged planes were partially overpainted with green colour, mainly Dark Olive Drab, shade 41 or Medium Green, shade 42, but also See Green, shade 28 or even RAF and RAAF greens. The patterns were not strictly defined. The only rule was to leave the battle numbers and the serials visible. Many aircrafts delivered in the summer of 1943 from the depots in North Africa to the inits had "desert camouflage". Some of them kept it unchanged untill the end of the year.(e.g.321-st BG.)

Author's note: The two-tone camouflage was a field modification and was never applied in the factories by the manufacturer. Only sand-camouflaged airplanes became green mottles, not vice versa. Some of the existing and flyable B-25 today show this very impressive camouflage but with no historical proof. Airplanes from the newer models (B-25H and J) were never camouflaged in sand. In fact only the first 300 B-25H and the first 235 B-25J were camouflaged in the standard OD over NG. The rest of the manufactured planes were delivered in natural metal.

The majority of the bare metal planes in the 321-st and 340-th BG. received green camouflage on the upper surfaces. This again was a field modification only."


Best Regards!
Yves


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